West Texas - When will we see them come back to dominance? 2015 Districts 2/3 6A

[mojotrain]

Texashsfootball.com rankings... Central at #9 (one spot ahead of Desoto...mmkay) and Permian #19.

Let's just go with that.

[Shady12]

Texashsfootball.com rankings... Central at #9 (one spot ahead of Desoto...mmkay) and Permian #19.

[mojotrain]

I for one would welcome this match up in Odessa, as I have never been. It would be a great game experience.

Not even considering the outcome of the game, the only thing E T's fans liked about their last trip to paradise was the, made in Del Rio Juilo's chips and mojotrains gitter done salsa that was offered up in the pre-game tail gate. It went downhill from that point. The greatest fail was Odessa people sitting on their side of Sally Ratliff. Can't blame them at all. If I'm going to suffer I'd sooner do it alone or at least it the comforts of my own family.

Uhhhhh when this season starts we won't be ready for a E T type team. IMO we can be knocking on the door in November. If the chance comes, barring a poor tomato/habernero/paregoric/celentro crop failure I'll have some ready for any of those who come by.

[coriv]

DCTF 3-6A Predictions

1. Permian
2. San Angelo
3. Abilene
4. Midland
5. OHS
6. Lee

[mojotrain]

No problem my friend, I was just giving you a little razzin'. Nobody's going to hold you to predictions made in the optimism of the spring. It's the boring part of the year and there nothing much to post about except pre-season polls and a few early bold predictions.

On a more serious note, the last update on your step son sounded very good. Is there anything new on that front?? PM me if you don't want to sidetrack this thread.

This may not sound like very good but his doctors are pleased and so is he. However he reports he is extremely weak. Food has began to taste bla. He and wife go to every new movie coming out. So as any good mojo would do, he's working hard.

[Shady12]

Wasn't it him that was stopped short on the 2 point try at the end of the game last year?

Yep.

[SLC13]

I've already declared third spot for Permian. Eagle fans and Bobcat fans have already voted themselves #1 and #2 or #2 and #1. One has the best running back that ever dumped behind a pair of nikes and the other has the second coming of Sammy Baugh. That's a lot to digest. Tell ya what, give me until after the game in San Tone with the bully bad boys from the valley. Then if I post I'll predict a 13 win season or a 3 win season. Regardless, I probably may post it here or the other place or not.

No problem my friend, I was just giving you a little razzin'. Nobody's going to hold you to predictions made in the optimism of the spring. It's the boring part of the year and there nothing much to post about except pre-season polls and a few early bold predictions.

On a more serious note, the last update on your step son sounded very good. Is there anything new on that front?? PM me if you don't want to sidetrack this thread.

[Eagledad_28]

Lol Time will tell !!! Abram will be definitely play on Saturday baylor and Tulsa very impressed next texas longhorns

Dobbins and Galindo racked up a lot of yards against backups in the second half. Smith was defended fairly well by a very good run defense. Really good defenders including a few who will be playing college ball this year had a hard time getting him down.

Wasn't it him that was stopped short on the 2 point try at the end of the game last year?

[Abilenefan]

If Dobbins and Galindo were the only weapons their teams had, that means that the entire defense was able to key on them and them alone. So,,,,,,that doesn't really bolster your argument.

I don't disagree with your logic. Abram has two more seasons and if he stays healthy he will leave his mark. He will get the opportunity to play on Saturdays in a major program and any question will be answered. IMHO

As my friend SLC13 said in a previous post about Dobbins in the game against SLC.
… Not surprising at all. Dobbins was Lee's only offensive weapon. If he didn't get some yards Lee wasn't going to get them…

If Dobbins and Galindo were the only weapons their teams had, that means that the entire defense was able to key on them and them alone. So,,,,,,that doesn't really bolster your argument.

[mojotrain]

Ok, so you are standing by the 14 game prediction. We may need to have a little side wager on that one.

Now as long as we're flushing quail out of the brush, can we surmise from the bolded statements that you're also predicting a district championship for Permian as well?? Inquiring minds want to know..........

I've already declared third spot for Permian. Eagle fans and Bobcat fans have already voted themselves #1 and #2 or #2 and #1. One has the best running back that ever dumped behind a pair of nikes and the other has the second coming of Sammy Baugh. That's a lot to digest. Tell ya what, give me until after the game in San Tone with the bully bad boys from the valley. Then if I post I'll predict a 13 win season or a 3 win season. Regardless, I probably may post it here or the other place or not.

[BevoBo]

I think so, but of course Trinity is my team, like Permian is yours.

A lot for the same reasons you listed. One more year of experience for key players. Other reasons too, but that's certainly a big one.

The good thing for you guys is, that game would be in Odessa.

I for one would welcome this match up in Odessa, as I have never been. It would be a great game experience.

[SLC13]

I do think so. I pin my thoughts on several things. The underclassmen starting in the last years game that you saw are one year older, stronger and faster. You would agree that one years growth in strength and experience would make you better wouldn't you?. .............

In things involving winning, things change, not because of time but because of indifference, sabotage, or complacency. It happened to Abilene, Permian, Midland Lee, San Angelo, Plano, Judson and others. If you read this or the other site you would get the idea that Abilene and San Angelo are back. I don't but consensus seems to think so. But the point is, things do change and We have the man in place to make it happen.
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Well we all promote our boys and we can all list the same reasons as to why we will be better. There's nothing magic about high school kids in the D/FW area compared to that of West Texas. It's about first commitment and then training. Commitment is self explanatory but training means the right people teaching kids the right stuff. Hard work only is a factor if you are trained to do the correct hard work. Hard work doing the wrong thing is a waste of time. We just past the point of doing the wrong hard work.

For what it's worth I watched all but three of our spring practices (does anyone else do that?) Permian is much, much better than last year.

Ok, so you are standing by the 14 game prediction. We may need to have a little side wager on that one.

Now as long as we're flushing quail out of the brush, can we surmise from the bolded statements that you're also predicting a district championship for Permian as well?? Inquiring minds want to know..........

[mojotrain]

Well we all promote our boys and we can all list the same reasons as to why we will be better. There's nothing magic about high school kids in the D/FW area compared to that of West Texas. It's about first commitment and then training. Commitment is self explanatory but training means the right people teaching kids the right stuff. Hard work only is a factor if you are trained to do the correct hard work. Hard work doing the wrong thing is a waste of time. We just past the point of doing the wrong hard work.


For what it's worth I watched all but three of our spring practices (does anyone else do that?) Permian is much, much better than last year.

[Super B]

Why not? and will ET be better? Not the same but better?

I think so, but of course Trinity is my team, like Permian is yours.

A lot for the same reasons you listed. One more year of experience for key players. Other reasons too, but that's certainly a big one.

The good thing for you guys is, that game would be in Odessa.

[mojotrain]

A 14 game season means a trip to the quarter-finals. It means a likely matchup with ET in round 3. As dominant as Trinity was in that game last season, do you honestly think Permian can get past them this year?

Why not? and will ET be better? Not the same but better?

[Super B]

I see a 14 game season for the boy's in black. .

I have to attribute your 14 game season prediction to the optimism of spring. Unless my eyes deceived me last year, there was a pretty large gap to overcome in week 13. Have your 150 LBers really grown that much over the winter??

I do think so. I pin my thoughts on several things. The underclassmen starting in the last years game that you saw are one year older, stronger and faster. You would agree that one years growth in strength and experience would make you better wouldn't you?. That lack of experience of not just playing but in fact starting has never happened at Permian before. A third year head coach who now has control on the revolving door of coach's and players. The days of those who played just so they could have a selfie made of themselves under the big sign that mojo made famous have now been wind rowed.

I can't get into key players abilities, this year vs last year, but I hope it's enough to just say you won't recognize us. You should remember what Allman did in his short stay at Permian, he shocked the state. So much in fact, he was offered one of the top programs in the state. I don't quite understand it yet but I don't see why it's a pre-conceived notion that everyone get's better every year except Permian. I'm leaning to the side that perhaps the explanation is in thought of Permian's return is a nightmare if not for the district then the state.. From my knowledge of Permian, since 1959 all our kids ever need was a good coach. They proved it time and again. Five different head coach's and six state crowns. All big class. No one comes close.

In things involving winning, things change, not because of time but because of indifference, sabotage, or complacency. It happened to Abilene, Permian, Midland Lee, San Angelo, Plano, Judson and others. If you read this or the other site you would get the idea that Abilene and San Angelo are back. I don't but consensus seems to think so. But the point is, things do change and We have the man in place to make it happen.
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A 14 game season means a trip to the quarter-finals. It means a likely matchup with ET in round 3. As dominant as Trinity was in that game last season, do you honestly think Permian can get past them this year?

[Super B]

Benson was a beast and led his team to the three-peat, those are hard footsteps to follow so in my opinion, there is no comparison. No respect to #28, none at all!

That being said, could that feat ever be accomplished again without a strong supporting cast?
Could the Benson led ML team be able to accomplish that feat today going up against the strong talent within the metroplex?

Sure, Murray had a three-peat but gee, look at the D1 talent he had around him. Could he have done it with that ML team? Gray in Aledo but heck, he was 4A at the time so that doesn't count, right? lol.

All Aledo has done without Gray is win three titles, two since Gray. Totally not the same.

[Eagle82]

vs. Bobcats in 2014

A. Dobbins Midland Lee 27 carries 185 yards 1 touchdown
S. Galindo Odessa 26 carries 150 yards 1 touchdown
A. Smith Abilene 20 carries 101 yards 0 touchdowns

Could it be, perhaps, that in an attempt to explain why the Eagles played the Bobcats so close, you're overblowing the efforts of one player?

As my friend SLC13 said in a previous post about Dobbins in the game against SLC.
… Not surprising at all. Dobbins was Lee's only offensive weapon. If he didn't get some yards Lee wasn't going to get them…

That can be said for much of the season, Dobbins was the only offensive weapon whereas Abilene had others.

vs. SA Central 2014

Abilene
Total Yards: 302
Smith – 106 total yards
Rest of the team: 196
Difference: Team +90 yards

Midland Lee
Total Yards: 335
Dobbins: 213 total yards
Rest of the team: 122
Difference: Dobbins +91 yards

Odessa
Total Yards: 333
Galindo: 182 total yards
Rest of team: 151
Difference: Galindo +31 yards

[Shady12]

Dobbins and Galindo racked up a lot of yards against backups in the second half. Smith was defended fairly well by a very good run defense. Really good defenders including a few who will be playing college ball this year had a hard time getting him down.

If Permian has a receiver better than Roy Williams then Abram Smith is better than Cedric Benson. Honestly I won't say Smith will be as good as El Ced but he's probably closer to him than any other back in the district, such as Galindo or Bailey, is to Smith. Maybe he just ate extra Wheaties the night he played in San Angelo but that night he looked like at least a 4-star talent. Hope he gets to 100% fast so he can build up that recruiting momentum.

vs. Bobcats in 2014

A. Dobbins Midland Lee 27 carries 185 yards 1 touchdown
S. Galindo Odessa 26 carries 150 yards 1 touchdown
A. Smith Abilene 20 carries 101 yards 0 touchdowns

Could it be, perhaps, that in an attempt to explain why the Eagles played the Bobcats so close, you're overblowing the efforts of one player?

[Abilenefan]

Well shady got to say went to Baylor camp this past Sunday tons of kids there .. Abram did impressed them coaches said a lot of good stuff while we were there talking .. We have Tulsa tomorrow with them coaches .. A lot d-1 stuff already coming in mail .. So yea we are getting him ready for fall .. A lot bigger than last year have say so it's gonna be fun playing y'all maybe we can meet up and meet each orther when we play y'all ..

Welcome to the board. Looking forward to seeing Abram this fall. I hope he is healthy and has a great Jr. season.

[Eagle82]

Well shady got to say went to Baylor camp this past Sunday tons of kids there .. Abram did impressed them coaches said a lot of good stuff while we were there talking .. We have Tulsa tomorrow with them coaches .. A lot d-1 stuff already coming in mail .. So yea we are getting him ready for fall .. A lot bigger than last year have say so it's gonna be fun playing y'all maybe we can meet up and meet each orther when we play y'all ..

That's great info and it's great hearing about his summer progress. Please keep us posted on a regular basis. Oh, and welcome! Nice to have more Abilene posters here!

[mojotrain]

Train, Glad to see that you made it over to this board!! Now we get to exchange pleasantries in a couple places!!

I have to attribute your 14 game season prediction to the optimism of spring. Unless my eyes deceived me last year, there was a pretty large gap to overcome in week 13. Have your 150 LBers really grown that much over the winter??

I do think so. I pin my thoughts on several things. The underclassmen starting in the last years game that you saw are one year older, stronger and faster. You would agree that one years growth in strength and experience would make you better wouldn't you?. That lack of experience of not just playing but in fact starting has never happened at Permian before. A third year head coach who now has control on the revolving door of coach's and players. The days of those who played just so they could have a selfie made of themselves under the big sign that mojo made famous have now been wind rowed.

I can't get into key players abilities, this year vs last year, but I hope it's enough to just say you won't recognize us. You should remember what Allman did in his short stay at Permian, he shocked the state. So much in fact, he was offered one of the top programs in the state. I don't quite understand it yet but I don't see why it's a pre-conceived notion that everyone get's better every year except Permian. I'm leaning to the side that perhaps the explanation is in thought of Permian's return is a nightmare if not for the district then the state.. From my knowledge of Permian, since 1959 all our kids ever need was a good coach. They proved it time and again. Five different head coach's and six state crowns. All big class. No one comes close.

In things involving winning, things change, not because of time but because of indifference, sabotage, or complacency. It happened to Abilene, Permian, Midland Lee, San Angelo, Plano, Judson and others. If you read this or the other site you would get the idea that Abilene and San Angelo are back. I don't but consensus seems to think so. But the point is, things do change and We have the man in place to make it happen.
.

[Eagle82]

If Permian has a receiver better than Roy Williams then Abram Smith is better than Cedric Benson. Honestly I won't say Smith will be as good as El Ced but he's probably closer to him than any other back in the district, such as Galindo or Bailey, is to Smith. Maybe he just ate extra Wheaties the night he played in San Angelo but that night he looked like at least a 4-star talent. Hope he gets to 100% fast so he can build up that recruiting momentum.

Benson was a beast and led his team to the three-peat, those are hard footsteps to follow so in my opinion, there is no comparison. No respect to #28, none at all!

That being said, could that feat ever be accomplished again without a strong supporting cast?
Could the Benson led ML team be able to accomplish that feat today going up against the strong talent within the metroplex?

Sure, Murray had a three-peat but gee, look at the D1 talent he had around him. Could he have done it with that ML team? Gray in Aledo but heck, he was 4A at the time so that doesn't count, right? lol.

[SLC13]

Hot dang! Another place to join in, in a giant whizzing contest. Like the rest of the West Texan posters here, I'll be perfectly non bias in my support of the Panthers. I won't get into the
my back is better than your back spill because IMO you either go by stats or you go by supposition. Supposition is loaded with if's and but's and in this districts case, what may have been, except for injuries. Suppositions and injuries aside, I suppose the back from OHS was as good as any in the district. I don't know what he could have done playing a full season. In truth I'd rather face any back in the district in 2015 than a healthy him. I know in his last game at OHS he flat out nailed his value. As I understand, he is now out of the picture.Other than that, on the subject concerning running backs, for how it happened, for how it really was, It's documented, it's in the books, it's fact and not supposition. Check it out. Just sayin!

Permian joined the rest of the state for the up-coming season. What forever has been 3 different feeder schools playing as three different 9th grade teams with three different sets of coach's now will be on campus. That adds one more year of our kids doing exactly what the big boys do. That will have a huge effect on the 2016 season and beyond.

Feldt finished 9-3 last year while still fighting and over coming a attitude(concerning work ethics) left by a previous staff. Maintaining Permian's progress gained in the last two years should be no problem. Feldt spent three years looking at the bottom of Permian's tenny runners. He knows for sure what excellent Permian looks like and the most important thing, he seems to like Penny's and Dillard's
as well as Macy's and Neiman Marcus so I don't worry about flight before his job is done.

QB seems to be nailed down by a part time starter over the last two years. His main challenger will be on the field as a receiver and if you have a better than a Roy Williams snagging balls for ya then you have a better receiver than him. Our best athlete on the team was nicked in 7 on 7 so if the suspected injury is as described he will be out until ??? Other quality receivers are ready. Permian's running back did well last year with 1600 yds and missed one game. He's better than that.

The defense IMO will be the strongest part of the team. We finally are back to playing tackle football. Eight returners, all bigger and stronger.

Feldts program isn't Permian yet. But gathering the freshman, all in one covey will turn the trick. When that's done he can concentrate on the Pop Warner aged kiddo's.

I'll pick Permian to finish third, (although I don't see anyone in district beating them) as it looks like Abilene/ San Angelo or San Angelo/ Abilene have got 1st and 2nd all sewed up. I see a 14 game season for the boy's in black. .

Train, Glad to see that you made it over to this board!! Now we get to exchange pleasantries in a couple places!!

I have to attribute your 14 game season prediction to the optimism of spring. Unless my eyes deceived me last year, there was a pretty large gap to overcome in week 13. Have your 150 LBers really grown that much over the winter??

[Super B]

Already do, but I can already tell I need more help from other Permian fans.

Spread the news.

[mojotrain]

If Permian has a receiver better than Roy Williams then Abram Smith is better than Cedric Benson. Honestly I won't say Smith will be as good as El Ced but he's probably closer to him than any other back in the district, such as Galindo or Bailey, is to Smith. Maybe he just ate extra Wheaties the night he played in San Angelo but that night he looked like at least a 4-star talent. Hope he gets to 100% fast so he can build up that recruiting momentum.

I'm pulling back a bit on the receiver. He's not an exact clone. I'm not sure he has the speed that Roy has. But mercy he can catch annnnnnnd, he's just a sophomore to be. Benson remember, won state in his sophomore season and there were not over one or two d-1 players. Same in both his junior and senior seasons. in his supporting cast. For three years he ran roughshod over this states very best not just district foe's but those from the ground to the crown. Not saying the Abilene kid can't but he will need to show me. I can be impressed by players from other than Permian. I seen the best that West Texas has offered since the late fifty's. If he can fit it in the top 5. He's in fine cotton. We'll see. .

[mojotrain]

Well despite what "some" may think, I am a big fan of Mojo and have been since I was a little cuss playing ball in Junction. Now if you were to compare Abilene and Mojo on not only a statewide but a national level, Mojo would garner more respect and recognition based on their "past" performances. Living in NYC all those years and involved in youth sports, it was an honor to educate people on Permian. Of course with the movie, they could not believe the fan base and game attendance. They thought it was all show for the movie. I assured them it was not, and that towns literally close up come game time.

Coaching is what it's all about and as MT said elsewhere, which I am understanding now, the school board and AD play a vital role in a programs success. I have also said elsewhere that had Allman stayed at Permian, today they would be a statewide force to reckon with. The program needs good coaching, which they now have but also long term stability. Changing coaches throws the programs a step or steps back and it's tough to get it going when that occurs. West Texas has a lot of kids that may lack in overall talent but their hearts and desire to play every down makes up for that lack. Unfortunately now the metroplex schools have slew of athletes to choose from who eventually wears down our kids.

I know I tend to get over zealous at times and defend our AH boys but we all do that when it comes to our teams. Those that know me know I am very involved in the program so yeah, I do take it personal. I'll work on toning it down and I do apologize to Mojo fans for my approach.

Don't fret about being over- zealous or defending the Eagle kids. If we don't promote, no one else will. In Permian's day there was Lee, Cooper, Permian and San Angelo. As long as Permian is one of the four then I'm good for another go. When we have more like those, year in and year out, this district becomes relative again. Truthfully, I hate getting beat by any other district team than a El Paso school. I think that makes us better. In those days no one outside of West Texas could figure out how this district dominated the state. It's no different today that back then. What it was we can and I'm convinced we'll get it back. If I didn't think so I'd quit following and quit posting, get out my trains and watch them circle a three rail track.