Third Times a Charm - 4 Star QB Seth Green out of MN transfers to Allen

[SLCbacker]

It's just turning into a free for all over there on Belt Line road.. Cedar Hill and Desotonjust need to consolidate and form one school and be done with it

If Chill and Desoto merge, they still would not be as big as Allen.

[SLCbacker]

Can someone provide links to their knowledge on these transfer rulings or PM me with proof as the dawg has asked me to keep an eye on you guys.

Well now you've tied Dawg to these rumors. I bet he gets sued!

[chhspantherfan]

Well now you've tied Dawg to these rumors. I bet he gets sued!

He can hide behind the corporation.

[ktCarl]

I'm not so sure they will fade away. It's kind of hard to fade away when you approach 7k I'm enrollment and still have the demographics that Allen will. It's a perfect mix of wealthy, middle class and lower middle class to fade away.
I think that's why so many are vocal about the transfers that Allen has benefitted from it's like my goodness, you guys already have 6k in enrollment and don't spilt that between another school, what more do yall need

Recruit players.

[ktCarl]

If Chill and Desoto merge, they still would not be as big as Allen.

Didn't Plano get away with this same thing for awhile?

[Farmer]

Didn't Plano get away with this same thing for awhile?

PESH has been around since about 1982. Allen refuses to build a second HS. The funny thing is that Allen couldn't compete in football when they were an average to smaller HS. The best seasons Allen has had have all come after they reached enrollment numbers that made them the states largest single HS school district

[Farmer]

Recruit players.

Well they certainly have the state covered and have now opened up a pipeline to the great lakes region and the most fertile recruiting ground in the country, Florida

[chhspantherfan]

Happy Tuesday Morning !!

[Firefox]

I find it hard to fault a family that needs to transfer across the country for a job, the local transfers are the ones that I wished they would police better. All the good teams benefit from transfer in's, but also some transfer out to get starting position on lesser teams.

[Eagle82]

Any idea where daddy green will be working?

Just right down the street or will he hop on 75 and head out for an hour commute each way?

[some eagle fan]

Any idea where daddy green will be working?

Just right down the street or will he hop on 75 and head out for an hour commute each way?

An hour commute on 75 could be only 10 miles if you leave during rush hour.

[SLCbacker]

Any idea where daddy green will be working?

Just right down the street or will he hop on 75 and head out for an hour commute each way?

Based on current job, and responsibility, I would say out of his home.

[Eagle82]

An hour commute on 75 could be only 10 miles if you leave during rush hour.

Yes but 10 miles takes you through how many school districts?

[Eagle82]

Based on current job, and responsibility, I would say out of his home.

So what are you saying, he's a stay at home dad?

haha

[some eagle fan]

Yes but 10 miles takes you through how many school districts?

Only one that matters .

[some eagle fan]

But actually, to the south you would go from Allen to Plano, Richardson and into Dallas. To the north from Allen, into Lovejoy and then McKinney.

[ktCarl]

Well they certainly have the state covered and have now opened up a pipeline to the great lakes region and the most fertile recruiting ground in the country, Florida

I mentioned in another thread asking why, with as big enrollment Allen has, do they need to recruit players? With the coaching staff they have don't they have enough home grown talent to win as they have been?

[Eagle82]

I mentioned in another thread asking why, with as big enrollment Allen has, do they need to recruit players? With the coaching staff they have don't they have enough home grown talent to win as they have been?

Perhaps their coaches are sub-par and don't have what it takes to win utilizing kids who have grown up in the system. ??

[Eagle2]

Perhaps their coaches are sub-par and don't have what it takes to win utilizing kids who have grown up in the system. ??

What about those kids growing up in the system? Is it fair to the backup Jr. or JV player with the same ability(potential) or better that has waited patiently and has worked hard in practice? Their dream or goal of once becoming a starter ends because a transfer comes in and immediately gets the job. How do you explain or justify this to this kid and his parents? What message does this send to the team? While it is obvious to all? Isn't the purpose of freshman-junior varsity teams to develop and prepare for varsity play? Is this really fair? Just some thought?

[chhspantherfan]

What about those kids growing up in the system? Is it fair to the backup Jr. or JV player with the same ability(potential) or better that has waited patiently and has worked hard in practice? Their dream or goal of once becoming a starter ends because a transfer comes in and immediately gets the job. How do you explain or justify this to this kid and his parents? What message does this send to the team? While it is obvious to all? Isn't the purpose of freshman-junior varsity teams to develop and prepare for varsity play? Is this really fair? Just some thought?

Welcome to Sonny Vacaro's brand of Football

[Eagle82]

What about those kids growing up in the system? Is it fair to the backup Jr. or JV player with the same ability(potential) or better that has waited patiently and has worked hard in practice? Their dream or goal of once becoming a starter ends because a transfer comes in and immediately gets the job. How do you explain or justify this to this kid and his parents? What message does this send to the team? While it is obvious to all? Isn't the purpose of freshman-junior varsity teams to develop and prepare for varsity play? Is this really fair? Just some thought?

No sir, I don't think it's fair at all Sure, life is tough, the world we live in is tough and there will be disappointment all along our journey through life, however this sends the wrong message.

A few years ago Abilene had on the ballot to consolidate Abilene High and Cooper. It failed, mainly because of that, many felt opportunity for kids to play would be limited.

[CHill]

What about those kids growing up in the system? Is it fair to the backup Jr. or JV player with the same ability(potential) or better that has waited patiently and has worked hard in practice? Their dream or goal of once becoming a starter ends because a transfer comes in and immediately gets the job. How do you explain or justify this to this kid and his parents? What message does this send to the team? While it is obvious to all? Isn't the purpose of freshman-junior varsity teams to develop and prepare for varsity play? Is this really fair? Just some thought?

Good point, but.....

[Eagle2]

Good point, but.....

Ok I get that. But why even have rules(transfer)in place? It just fascinates me that programs that are successful and the hardware to prove it, with such a great talent pool of underclassmen feel the need to bypass their own players for an outsider that transfers in and gets a starting position? Whatever happened to earning or playing up for a starting position? Nah these transfers are given(promised) a starting position immediately and the rest is history. Whatever happened to coaching them up and developing them on the lower levels? Lets just forget about the transfer(recruit)rules and let em all come in and play.lol

[Farmer]

Ok I get that. But why even have rules(transfer)in place? It just fascinates me that programs that are successful and the hardware to prove it, with such a great talent pool of underclassmen feel the need to bypass their own players for an outsider that transfers in and gets a starting position? Whatever happened to earning or playing up for a starting position? Nah these transfers are given(promised) a starting position immediately and the rest is history. Whatever happened to coaching them up and developing them on the lower levels? Lets just forget about the transfer(recruit)rules and let em all come in and play.lol

Allen is changing the landscape in high school football here and not for the better. Instead of coaching kids up and teaching them loyalty to a program and each other, they seem to be bypassing that entirely and just doing whatever it takes to win and justifying it with well those kids chose to come to our school and there isn't anything wrong with it.
Between the size of Allen and the way it seems all these transfers just find a way to wind up in Allen it's bad for the game.

[AllenEaglesFan]

Amazing how people complain about Allen's size and transfers but considering Cedar Hill had more transfers the last two year than Allen and Plano was and is one of the largest schools since the 70's not sure this could be much more than sour grapes. Where is all the complaints about other schools transfers??? Not going to hear it because the few that complain about rumors and hearsay are just mad about their schools choice and make up innuendos.

[Farmer]

Amazing how people complain about Allen's size and transfers but considering Cedar Hill had more transfers the last two year than Allen and Plano was and is one of the largest schools since the 70's not sure this could be much more than sour grapes. Where is all the complaints about other schools transfers??? Not going to hear it because the few that complain about rumors and hearsay are just mad about their schools choice and make up innuendos.

This is a perfect example of the attitude you see out of some of the Allenfans trying to justify what they have going on.
They want to divert attention from themselves and say well others are doing it so we should to.
When they use the Plano example is when it becomes truly laughable.

[pied]

Amazing how people complain about Allen's size and transfers but considering Cedar Hill had more transfers the last two year than Allen and Plano was and is one of the largest schools since the 70's not sure this could be much more than sour grapes. Where is all the complaints about other schools transfers??? Not going to hear it because the few that complain about rumors and hearsay are just mad about their schools choice and make up innuendos.

Exactly, had the same conversation with my eight year old yesterday. He came home from second grade and had gotten in trouble for laughing in class. I told him that I expected him to behave and he said that the teacher only noticed him. He said that Charlie had talked A LOT more than he had the past two days and that his friend Paul always talked but didn't get into trouble. In addition, she didn't actually see him, just said she thought it was him based on his voice but couldn't prove it.

I told him that I don't care what his friends do and if they were caught, that I expected HIM to do the right thing. Now reading your post, it makes sense. I'll tell him, he's right and not to worry about it. If the others don't get in trouble, then he shouldn't either.

Thanks for the lesson!

[Farmer]

Exactly, had the same conversation with my eight year old yesterday. He came home from second grade and had gotten in trouble for laughing in class. I told him that I expected him to behave and he said that the teacher only noticed him. He said that Charlie had talked A LOT more than he had the past two days and that his friend Paul always talked but didn't get into trouble. In addition, she didn't actually see him, just said she thought it was him based on his voice but couldn't prove it.

I told him that I don't care what his friends do and if they were caught, that I expected HIM to do the right thing. Now reading your post, it makes sense. I'll tell him, he's right and not to worry about it. If the others don't get in trouble, then he shouldn't either.

Thanks for the lesson!

Haha that's funny and pretty accurate based on what AEF was trying to say.

I wonder how many transfers cedar hill has actually had and if their 2 leading rushers, leading passer and a WR 2nd in receiving had all transferred in over the last 2-3 years. Most likely not.
I'm also curious as to who decided to transfer in once cedar hill had a vacancy I mean a stud graduating

[Eagle2]

Amazing how people complain about Allen's size and transfers but considering Cedar Hill had more transfers the last two year than Allen and Plano was and is one of the largest schools since the 70's not sure this could be much more than sour grapes. Where is all the complaints about other schools transfers??? Not going to hear it because the few that complain about rumors and hearsay are just mad about their schools choice and make up innuendos.

Ha Ha!!lol Yes sir it is sour grapes!!!!! A 6k + student enrollment, and the largest band in the nation, that has a transfer come in and make history as probably one of the greatest qb and teams in TX HS FB history that graduates and then(coincidentally) a committed out of state qb transfers his senior year to the state of Texas and chooses Allen. What a mockery whether legit or not? And then you bring up transfers at the smaller schools. These smaller schools are not 6k+. These smaller schools do attempt to develop athletes through their respective systems, teach value and accountability, and make it fair for all athletes to compete equally. Once these so called smaller schools learn the blueprint of how to get select transfers accepted (to keep up with the top programs) then you will have Tx Hs AAU select football.

[Eagle2]

Allen is changing the landscape in high school football here and not for the better. Instead of coaching kids up and teaching them loyalty to a program and each other, they seem to be bypassing that entirely and just doing whatever it takes to win and justifying it with well those kids chose to come to our school and there isn't anything wrong with it.
Between the size of Allen and the way it seems all these transfers just find a way to wind up in Allen it's bad for the game.

Yes so true. Don't get it. Out of all the schools in the state of Texas, Allen. A team coming off of a three peat championship. While there are also several other successful football programs in the vicinity, would not the end result be the same? Maybe, but other programs may not have allowed(promised) a starter position? Gonna be interesting to see how this all plays out for Allen? Some sources(?) have said after watching qb transfer in camps and practice that he might not be as advertised or expected and that others are better? Interesting.Welcome to Texas high school football. Cannot wait for the live competition.